The Bush administration’s Justice Department has a vested interest in portraying every “plot” it busts as the next 9/11, regardless of how embryonic or feeble. It serves as a distraction from the administration’s failures in Iraq and elsewhere, it perpetuates the state of fear that has served this White House well in recent years, and it justifies the massive Homeland Security bureaucracy.That conclusion was backed up with exhibit A, an article from the New York Times, which includes this:
In Washington, senior law enforcement officials said that while the charges against those arrested were serious, there was no evidence that they were connected with any foreign terrorist organizations or broader conspiracy.White House spokesman Tony Snow gave a brief statement last week saying essentially the same thing when asked about the case by reporters.
You can read his entire” Pizza Plotters and the 28-Percenters on Fantasy Island” post here and check out the comments on his post he’s talking about here. In the meantime here are the comments he received from dissenters to his screed and a selection of comments from his supporters. Comments by “rumpus-room Churchills” are in red.My last post attracted a swarm of comments. Most agreed with the post, but there were a couple of loopy anti-Semiti cconsipracy (sic) buffs who had to be relegated to the spam bin, and a few rumpus-room Churchills who instantly equate skeptics with Neville Chamberlain. These 28-Percenters are immune to fact, argument and memory — despite the Bush administration’s record of ineptitude and corruption, they have been imprinted with the idea that Bush is a stalwart guardian of the West.
You can lead a winger to water but you can’t make him think. Island environments, isolated from competition and natural selection in the larger world, tend to produce the strangest life forms. Intellectual isolation appears to have the same effect. Long after the Bushies and their Republican handmaidens have been evicted from power and the great cleaning-up has begun, the bizarre fauna of Wingerworld will still be building their bunkers on the beach and jumping at shadows in the woods, building their alternate-universe mythology around the greatness of George W. Bush.Let them stay there. In fact, their perfect intellectual isolation makes them ideal specimens for display to future Americans who might find it hard to believe that this country could have gone so wrong at the start of the 21st century.
1. Vile Whig Says: Sounds like the FBI got hold of a script David Chase threw out……Hart’s got a point about Democrats. President Clinton made a persuasive case for regime change and attacking Iraq militarily. A Democratic Party-controlled Senate authorized the war in Iraq – 77 to 23. The rest of the moonbat’s rant is just nonsense.
9. MarkedExcess Says: So, are you suggesting they are innocent of any wrongdoing and should not have been arrested?
11. Dr. Acula Says: I wonder how much $ the FBI wasted on this case?
15. Rebecca Aguilar Says: I thought the air had been deprived of oxygen when this “terrorist plot” story broke. Pinning something like this on MORONS who would have been undetected but for their pizza cravings? Thanks for the fresh air.
16. ann Says: The only time the FBI can report that it has twarted (sic) another terrorist plot is when they create the scenario. But dontcha feel all warm and safe and fuzzy about Bush now? He’s really working hard to keep us safe.
17. MarkedExcess Says: So, let’s assume what we know about these morons is basically correct, and assume that they weren’t significantly manipulated by the FBI agent.Should we laugh it all off, as if they were 5 year olds running around the backyard with plastic guns yelling bang-bang? Or should they do a long stretch in prison? Or something in between?
18. John Clavis Says: Have you ever noticed that when someone antagonistically starts their comment with “So are you saying…”, they usually follow by intentionally mischaracterizing the argument being made, so as to be able to prevent cognitive dissonance by maintaining the notion that all dissenters are crazy America-haters.It should be obvious to anyone who can read and who isn’t mentally retarded what the point is being made here.
19. orby Says: so….this has just been bugging me for a while….why exactly are these guys referred to as “terrorists”? they were targeting a *military* target. they apparently had no plans to kill civilians. are now any attacks on our actual military units considered terrorist acts? does anyone in the media (or the government) know what the word “terror” actually means?
20. Tareq Says: At least, one finds some intelligent Americans. When one watches how Americans are so happy that they caught a bunch of guys like these, one wonders “Are Americans that weak that they need to boost their self-esteem, glorify themselves, and feel proud over “capturing” a bunch of guys like these (you can’t even call them a gang, not to mention a terrorist cell)?” But sadly, you, the intelligent Americans, are a minority.
21. alisbasement Says: This is a straight up witch hunt and these guys are being framed. Proud (and innocent) Muslim Americans, who are just trying to achieve the American dream like everyone else, now live in fear due to this form of entrapment, what is this world coming to?
23. Legalpad Says: The moment the story broke, timed to distract from and offset damaging news on Iraq, it was obvious that this was a propaganda set piece. They’ve had this in the can for over a year. …The true criminals are in the White House. 9/11 was an inside job; this is just part of the mythmaking to keep the larger fraud alive.
25. Out Raged Says: Wonder what the real terrorists are up to while we waste time and money on a bunch of guys who couldn’t find their asses with both hands and a map.
26. Ellen1910 Says: “I’m just glad this is going to play out in court . .” Not a chance. They’ll plead”
27. LoudPatriot Says: Where’s Osama?
29. Stus Says: And the timing is sooo convenient, when the public is getting tired and disillusioned about the Forever Wars in Iraq and GWOT.
31. Margaret Says: Osama bin Laden has promised to kill 4 million Americans and all the government can do is get informants to entrap not very bright people. Shah had no weapons, no plan, and no contacts with al-qaeda. If any case is cheesy, this one certainly is.
33. eldiablotejas Says: Obviously none of you little snots have ever been in a fire fight. If you had you would know that even a bad shot can kill you.
35. gwaltrip Says: Wow, Denial in Action. Now you know why we don’t trust you liberals and Democrats with National Security.
37. Steven Hart Says: That’s rich, gwaltrip. Liberals and Democrats would know which country to invade. They’re also more interested in catching Bin Laden than entrapping pizza men. Go back to watching “24″ now.
Labels: Fort Dix Six, Steven Hart
Now we have an amazing new twist to the Fort Dix Six where one of the "terrorists" Chris Christie arrested this week: he tried to turn in the FBI informant for plotting to attack Fort Dix!He did? How do you reach that conclusion from the article or this passage he uses ?
Also, one of the men, Tatar, called a Philadelphia police officer in November, saying that he had been approached by someone who was pressuring him to obtain a map of Fort Dix, and that he feared the incident was terrorist-related, according to court documents.Gee, I wonder how the reporter found out about this? Anyway, the moonbat thinks he’s on to something. He’s also highly suspicious of the Bush administration, the US Attorney General, the U.S. Attorney Chris Christie and the FBI. Inquiring minds want to know:
Did Christie and the FBI know that one of their terrorists was trying to foil the terrorist plot? And did the FBI or the US Attorney General tell the Philadelphia Police to back off? It's another couple questions some enterprising reporter should ask him.This “amazing new twist” and the answers to the moonbat’s questions are contained in the U.S. Attorney’s criminal complaints which include the affidavit submitted by the FBI;
In a possible effort to determine whether CW-1 was a law enforcement officer, SERDAR TATAR on November 15, 2006 contacted a sergeant with the Philadelphia Police department and stated that he had been approached by an individual who had pressured him to acquire maps of Fort Dix. TATAR also told the police officer that he did not supply the map and was fearful that the incident was terrorist-related. The sergeant telephoned the FBI in TATAR’s presence.Is this Blue Jersey guy just stupid or was he lamely trying to misinform people? My guess, probably both.
On or about December 7, 2006, law enforcement officers with the FBI interviewed SERDAR TATAR. TATAR falsely told the interviewing officers that he was not a part of the plot to attack Fort Dix and did not know any of the parties that may be involved. TATAR three times falsely denied that he had provided a map of Fort Dix to anyone.
Labels: Blue Jersey, Fort Dix Six, Terrorism, U.S. Attorney
Labels: Fort Dix Six, Illegal Aliens, New York Times, Steven Hart
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Senator Gerald Cardinale, (R-39), issued the following statement regarding the Trenton Democrat’s plans to abolish the death penalty in New Jersey without retaining exemptions for terrorists, cop killers and child rapists and murderers.Keep in mind the New Jersey Legislature voted unanimously back in March 2002 to make murder committed through terrorism punishable by death (NJSA 2C:11-3C).
"Less than 48 hours before the Senate Judiciary Committee moves legislation that will ban capital punishment for terrorists in New Jersey a terrorist cell was captured planning to massacre personnel at Fort Dix. Now that we have confirmation that terrorists are actively operating in New Jersey we must retain the option of the ultimate punishment for those who conspire to commit mass murder as well as cop killers and child sex fiends."
State Senator Gerald Cardinale (R-39) voted earlier this year for a 20% property tax credit which would have benefited the alleged Fort Dix terrorists from Cherry Hill and Buena Vista Township. Under the plan he supported, would-be terrorist homeowners residing in New Jersey - like those charged today - could see their property taxes cut by up to 20%, depending on their income level. This would enable the terrorists to purchase more guns and other weapons.See what I mean about Melli-Huber? Disagree with him and he responds with total nonsense. Cardinale didn’t paint anyone as pro-terrorist. He’s advocating a position that five years ago had unanimous bipartisan support in New Jersey. There’s nothing crass, opportunistic, divisive or fear mongering for a state senator to express his opinion about pending legislation. That’s his job.
Yes, it's pretty ridiculous to play politics with terrorism, but that's exactly what Senator Cardinale is trying to do by painting those who oppose capital punishment as pro-terrorist. Nevermind (sic) the fact that terrorists would most likely be prosecuted under federal law. This is nothing less than crass opportunism and divisive fearmongering(sic).
Labels: Blue Jersey, Death Penalty, Juan Melli-Huber
Hackers have inserted errors into a number of these posts. I will continue to make corrections on a daily basis. Somebody does not want people paying too much attention to what goes on in New Jersey with your tax dollars. I wonder why?Another moonbat exposed.
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At this pivotal moment in history, the Bush response to any challenge boils down to one of the three Bs: Buy it, bomb it or bullshit it. When it comes to environmental matters, “bullshit it” is in full effect. Instead of looking for innovative approaches that embody the spirit of enterprise and capitalism, Bushie conservatives like Glenn Beck give us tired spin points and discredited non-arguments.What country embodies that spirit, especially when it comes to environmental matters? The moonbat tells us it’s communist China. Who knew?
But what I love about this article is the way it shows that out there in the larger world, beyond the ring of back-scratching crony capitalists, petrochemical flacks and ideological clowns that have America in a hammerlock, people are still thinking and trying new things.Communist propaganda? Is that new? Dongtan only exists on paper, but China does plan to have phase one of the Potemkin eco-village completed by the 2010 “Better City, Better Life”, Shanghai World Expo.
Treasury is keen to develop the leisure and recreational facilities of Chongming, which will include golf courses, hotels, restaurants and what the group refers to as an 'equine centre' - horseracing is rare in China, where gambling is illegal, though widely practised.Eco-fantasyland. Back in the real world, it’s George Bush who bought a ranch and built a house that incorporates every "green" feature current home construction can provide - Al Gore is the one in full “bullshit it” mode.
Labels: Dongtan, Environmental Issues, George Bush, Steven Hart
For a people whose deep national pride is in bestowing the Nobel Peace Prize, Norwegians are developing a reputation for throwing some sharp elbows.The moonbat opines on the piece and adds this:
Memo to New York Times copy editors: The Nobel prizes are awarded in Sweden, not Norway. I guess the little slanty lines through the Os threw you off.The Nobel Peace Prize is in fact unique, awarded by a committee of five, appointed by the Norwegian parliament. The Peace Prize ceremony takes place every year on December 10 in Oslo, Norway and is presented to the winner by the Chairman of the Norwegian Nobel Committee in the presence of the King of Norway.
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